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Les squatters de la Palestine n'ont plus de prétextes ancestraux...
(trop ancien pour répondre)
Zulu
2020-05-27 19:27:18 UTC
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... pour justifier leur invasion de la Palestine.

Comme la majorité des juifs occupants la Palestine depuis la fin du XIX
sont venus d'Europe en s'appelant "azkhénazes", la génétique ne leur
reconnaît aucun droit ancestral, si tant est que l'on puisse évoquer un
tel droit après 2000 ans au préjudice d'indigènes habitant cette contrée
depuis des siècles.

Par exemple, cette étude qui montre que les juifs Ashkenazes venus
d'Europe ont des origines ancestrales en grande majorité européenne et
n'ont donc pas plus de droit "divin" d'envahir la Palestine que des
Bantous l'ont d'occuper la Patagonie.

Pour les juifs séfarades, les origines sont à chercher plutôt chez des
ancêtres arabes, berbère ou autres éléments de peuples d'Afrique du nord
convertis.


A substantial prehistoric European ancestry amongst Ashkenazi maternal
lineages

Abstract

The origins of Ashkenazi Jews remain highly controversial. Like Judaism,
mitochondrial DNA is passed along the maternal line. Its variation in
the Ashkenazim is highly distinctive, with four major and numerous minor
founders. However, due to their rarity in the general population, these
founders have been difficult to trace to a source. Here we show that all
four major founders, ~40% of Ashkenazi mtDNA variation, have ancestry in
prehistoric Europe, rather than the Near East or Caucasus. Furthermore,
most of the remaining minor founders share a similar deep European
ancestry. Thus the great majority of Ashkenazi maternal lineages were
not brought from the Levant, as commonly supposed, nor recruited in the
Caucasus, as sometimes suggested, but assimilated within Europe. These
results point to a significant role for the conversion of women in the
formation of Ashkenazi communities, and provide the foundation for a
detailed reconstruction of Ashkenazi genealogical history.

https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms3543


Article sur cette étude

Genetic Roots of the Ashkenazi Jews

Most Ashkenazi Jews, traditionally believed to have descended from the
ancient tribes of Israel, may in fact be maternally descended from
prehistoric Europeans.

https://www.the-scientist.com/daily-news/genetic-roots-of-the-ashkenazi-jews-38580

D'autres études ont déjà montré que ce sont les palestiniens
d’aujourd’hui qui partagent le plus le patrimoine génétique des
anciennes tribus hébraïques.

'The Origin of Palestinians and their Genetic Relatedness with other
Mediterranean Populations',

Antonio Arnaiz-Villena, Nagah Elaiwa, Carlos Silvera,Ahmed Rostom, Juan
Moscoso,
Eduardo Gómez-Casado, Luis Allende, Pilar Varela, and Jorge Martínez-Laso

ABSTRACT:

The genetic profile of Palestinians has, for the first time, been
studied by using human leukocyte antigen (HLA) gene variability and
haplotypes. The comparison
with other Mediterranean populations by using neighbor-joining
dendrograms and correspondence analyses reveal that Palestinians are
genetically very close
to Jews and other Middle East populations, including Turks (Anatolians),
Lebanese, Egyptians, Armenians and Iranians. Archaeologic and genetic
data support that both
Jews and Palestinians came from the ancient Canaanites, who extensively
mixed with Egyptians, Mesopotamian and Anatolian peoples in ancient
times. Thus, Palestinian-
Jewish rivalry is based in cultural and religious, but not in genetic,
differences. The relatively close relatedness of both Jews and
Palestinians to western Mediterranean
populations reflects the continuous circum-Mediterranean cultural and
gene flow that have occurred in prehistoric and historic times. This
flow overtly contradicts the demic diffusion model of western
Mediterranean populations substitution by agriculturalists coming from
the Middle East in the Mesolithic-Neolithic transition.

Human Immunology 62, 889-900 (2001).
ã American Society for Histocompatibility and Immunogenetics, 2001.
Published by Elsevier Science Inc.

https://tinyurl.com/y9xog8qd

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/11802415_HLA_Genes_in_Palestinians_The_Origin_of_Palestinians_and_Their_Genetic_Relatedness_With_Other_Mediterranean_Populations
Luluston
2020-05-27 19:43:49 UTC
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Post by Zulu
... pour justifier leur invasion de la Palestine.
Comme la majorité des juifs occupants la Palestine depuis la fin du XIX sont
venus d'Europe en s'appelant "azkhénazes", la génétique ne leur reconnaît
aucun droit ancestral, si tant est que l'on puisse évoquer un tel droit après
2000 ans au préjudice d'indigènes habitant cette contrée depuis des siècles.
Par exemple, cette étude qui montre que les juifs Ashkenazes venus d'Europe
ont des origines ancestrales en grande majorité européenne et n'ont donc pas
plus de droit "divin" d'envahir la Palestine que des Bantous l'ont d'occuper
la Patagonie.
Pour les juifs séfarades, les origines sont à chercher plutôt chez des
ancêtres arabes, berbère ou autres éléments de peuples d'Afrique du nord
convertis.
A substantial prehistoric European ancestry amongst Ashkenazi maternal
lineages
Abstract
The origins of Ashkenazi Jews remain highly controversial. Like Judaism,
mitochondrial DNA is passed along the maternal line. Its variation in the
Ashkenazim is highly distinctive, with four major and numerous minor
founders. However, due to their rarity in the general population, these
founders have been difficult to trace to a source. Here we show that all four
major founders, ~40% of Ashkenazi mtDNA variation, have ancestry in
prehistoric Europe, rather than the Near East or Caucasus. Furthermore, most
of the remaining minor founders share a similar deep European ancestry. Thus
the great majority of Ashkenazi maternal lineages were not brought from the
Levant, as commonly supposed, nor recruited in the Caucasus, as sometimes
suggested, but assimilated within Europe. These results point to a
significant role for the conversion of women in the formation of Ashkenazi
communities, and provide the foundation for a detailed reconstruction of
Ashkenazi genealogical history.
https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms3543
Article sur cette étude
Genetic Roots of the Ashkenazi Jews
Most Ashkenazi Jews, traditionally believed to have descended from the
ancient tribes of Israel, may in fact be maternally descended from
prehistoric Europeans.
https://www.the-scientist.com/daily-news/genetic-roots-of-the-ashkenazi-jews-38580
D'autres études ont déjà montré que ce sont les palestiniens d’aujourd’hui
qui partagent le plus le patrimoine génétique des anciennes tribus
hébraïques.
'The Origin of Palestinians and their Genetic Relatedness with other
Mediterranean Populations',
Antonio Arnaiz-Villena, Nagah Elaiwa, Carlos Silvera,Ahmed Rostom, Juan
Moscoso,
Eduardo Gómez-Casado, Luis Allende, Pilar Varela, and Jorge Martínez-Laso
The genetic profile of Palestinians has, for the first time, been studied by
using human leukocyte antigen (HLA) gene variability and haplotypes. The
comparison
with other Mediterranean populations by using neighbor-joining dendrograms
and correspondence analyses reveal that Palestinians are genetically very
close
to Jews and other Middle East populations, including Turks (Anatolians),
Lebanese, Egyptians, Armenians and Iranians. Archaeologic and genetic data
support that both
Jews and Palestinians came from the ancient Canaanites, who extensively mixed
with Egyptians, Mesopotamian and Anatolian peoples in ancient times. Thus,
Palestinian-
Jewish rivalry is based in cultural and religious, but not in genetic,
differences. The relatively close relatedness of both Jews and Palestinians
to western Mediterranean
populations reflects the continuous circum-Mediterranean cultural and gene
flow that have occurred in prehistoric and historic times. This flow overtly
contradicts the demic diffusion model of western Mediterranean populations
substitution by agriculturalists coming from the Middle East in the
Mesolithic-Neolithic transition.
Human Immunology 62, 889-900 (2001).
ã American Society for Histocompatibility and Immunogenetics, 2001.
Published by Elsevier Science Inc.
https://tinyurl.com/y9xog8qd
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/11802415_HLA_Genes_in_Palestinians_The_Origin_of_Palestinians_and_Their_Genetic_Relatedness_With_Other_Mediterranean_Populations

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Calamity Jade
2020-05-28 02:39:09 UTC
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Israel
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Alysse de Brizet
2020-05-28 04:57:02 UTC
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Diaspora juive en Europe :

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histoire_du_peuple_juif#Diaspora
Calamity Jade
2020-05-28 05:02:15 UTC
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Post by Alysse de Brizet
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histoire_du_peuple_juif#Diaspora
https://twitter.com/AlysseBrizet/status/1264677690617012226
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Luluston
2020-05-28 07:57:56 UTC
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Post by Alysse de Brizet
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histoire_du_peuple_juif#Diaspora
Il faut tenir une sacrée couche de perfidies et de machiavélisme pour
inventer une religion qui ne vise qu'a mettre le 99% humains en
esclavage.
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Luluston
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Zulu
2020-05-29 15:54:58 UTC
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Post by Luluston
Post by Alysse de Brizet
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histoire_du_peuple_juif#Diaspora
Il faut tenir une sacrée couche de perfidies et de machiavélisme pour
inventer une religion qui ne vise qu'a mettre le 99% humains en esclavage.
C'est un prétexte, beaucoup de sionistes dont Herzl le fondateur sont
anti-religieux.

Certains de ses propos apparaissent comme très antisémites aujourd'hui.
Zulu
2020-05-29 15:49:34 UTC
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Post by Calamity Jade
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Israel
Interessant

On voit que la Hasbara est efficace sur wiki. C'est pas pour rien
qu’Israël dépense des sous pour financer l'activité de nombreux sayanim
sur ce site.
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